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The Irish Diplomat And The GAA

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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/mary-mcaleese-envoy-tried-to-kick-royal-gaa-visit-into-touch-23k7scswz

A senior Irish diplomat lied to Mary McAleese, saying that the GAA was not prepared to welcome Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park.

The pettiness, the bitterness. The hatred of the Dublin middle classes for the GAA has to be experienced to be believed.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 760 - 20/09/2020 20:31:10    2293257

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Replying To essmac:  "https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/mary-mcaleese-envoy-tried-to-kick-royal-gaa-visit-into-touch-23k7scswz

A senior Irish diplomat lied to Mary McAleese, saying that the GAA was not prepared to welcome Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park.

The pettiness, the bitterness. The hatred of the Dublin middle classes for the GAA has to be experienced to be believed."
Can you explain/justify your conclusion?

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 191 - 20/09/2020 20:46:57    2293263

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Replying To essmac:  "https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/mary-mcaleese-envoy-tried-to-kick-royal-gaa-visit-into-touch-23k7scswz

A senior Irish diplomat lied to Mary McAleese, saying that the GAA was not prepared to welcome Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park.

The pettiness, the bitterness. The hatred of the Dublin middle classes for the GAA has to be experienced to be believed."
The Dublin middle classes haven't done Dublin any harm recently.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1529 - 20/09/2020 21:09:40    2293272

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Replying To essmac:  "https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/mary-mcaleese-envoy-tried-to-kick-royal-gaa-visit-into-touch-23k7scswz

A senior Irish diplomat lied to Mary McAleese, saying that the GAA was not prepared to welcome Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park.

The pettiness, the bitterness. The hatred of the Dublin middle classes for the GAA has to be experienced to be believed."
The Dublin middle classes haven't done Dublin any harm recently.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 1529 - 20/09/2020 21:09:49    2293273

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Replying To essmac:  "https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/mary-mcaleese-envoy-tried-to-kick-royal-gaa-visit-into-touch-23k7scswz

A senior Irish diplomat lied to Mary McAleese, saying that the GAA was not prepared to welcome Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park.

The pettiness, the bitterness. The hatred of the Dublin middle classes for the GAA has to be experienced to be believed."
sweeping statement, one diplomat= entire middle class Dublin?

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1390 - 20/09/2020 23:37:04    2293317

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There isn't any point to this thread. She came years and years ago, and the world didn't end, and some people didn't want her to come and others did, but its an irrelevance. Many in every workplace, household, and organisation didn't want her to come, but she did. Regardless of their "class". Ancient history. Move on. Live on.

Once again, silly thread.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 322 - 21/09/2020 10:07:29    2293347

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Replying To essmac:  "https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/mary-mcaleese-envoy-tried-to-kick-royal-gaa-visit-into-touch-23k7scswz

A senior Irish diplomat lied to Mary McAleese, saying that the GAA was not prepared to welcome Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park.

The pettiness, the bitterness. The hatred of the Dublin middle classes for the GAA has to be experienced to be believed."
Have you met many middle class Dubliners that hate the GAA? I can't read the article and don't want to pay €60 per annum to do so.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5873 - 21/09/2020 11:29:16    2293368

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I don't know the geography of Dublin but I'm sure south Dublin has traditionally been seen as the weathly part! One of the reasons contributed to the success of GAA in Dublin over the past 20 years is the increased membership, contribution and interest of the GAA within south Dublin so I think there is more evidence of the GAA breaking down old class systems than what you're trying to suggest.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 645 - 21/09/2020 12:54:38    2293380

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Have you met many middle class Dubliners that hate the GAA? I can't read the article and don't want to pay €60 per annum to do so."
This is as about as much as a non-subscriber can read:

Mary McAleese: envoy tried to kick royal GAA visit into touch

Mary McAleese has revealed that, as president of Ireland, she was "misled" by a retired senior diplomat who suggested the GAA was not prepared to welcome Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park during the monarch's visit in 2011.

In her memoir Here's the Story, featured today in The Sunday Times with an exclusive extract, McAleese claims the diplomat never approached the GAA, as agreed, and instead appeared to decide himself that the Queen should not go to Croke Park.


If true, the diplomat should named. Also, if he or she is still alive they should be held to account. For a senior diplomat to wilfully lie to the president is an act of gross misconduct.
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Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1047 - 21/09/2020 13:14:49    2293386

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "This is as about as much as a non-subscriber can read:

Mary McAleese: envoy tried to kick royal GAA visit into touch

Mary McAleese has revealed that, as president of Ireland, she was "misled" by a retired senior diplomat who suggested the GAA was not prepared to welcome Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park during the monarch's visit in 2011.

In her memoir Here's the Story, featured today in The Sunday Times with an exclusive extract, McAleese claims the diplomat never approached the GAA, as agreed, and instead appeared to decide himself that the Queen should not go to Croke Park.


If true, the diplomat should named. Also, if he or she is still alive they should be held to account. For a senior diplomat to wilfully lie to the president is an act of gross misconduct.
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If the senior diplomat wasn't named how do we know he's from South Dublin?

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1018 - 21/09/2020 14:59:09    2293405

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And maybe Mary is lying, nothing like trying to stir up controversy in order to sell more books

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 226 - 21/09/2020 16:23:41    2293423

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I do not think anyone posted that the said diplomat was from South Dublin. I could well believe her statement in the ST as our ruling politicians at that time were more pro British than pro Northern Nationalists and that could be clearly seen by the 21.35hrs showing on RTE's Prime time last week-'Unquiet Graves'. It is important to know our history even though that does not mean living in the past. All this is very relevant unless you are one of the brigade who is happy to sweep everything under the carpet and move on in ignorance.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2173 - 21/09/2020 16:28:42    2293424

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Replying To browncows:  "I do not think anyone posted that the said diplomat was from South Dublin. I could well believe her statement in the ST as our ruling politicians at that time were more pro British than pro Northern Nationalists and that could be clearly seen by the 21.35hrs showing on RTE's Prime time last week-'Unquiet Graves'. It is important to know our history even though that does not mean living in the past. All this is very relevant unless you are one of the brigade who is happy to sweep everything under the carpet and move on in ignorance."
Sorry the OP actually says "Dublin middle class" but is it mentioned that the diplomat a middle class Dub?

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1018 - 22/09/2020 11:08:19    2293531

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "This is as about as much as a non-subscriber can read:

Mary McAleese: envoy tried to kick royal GAA visit into touch

Mary McAleese has revealed that, as president of Ireland, she was "misled" by a retired senior diplomat who suggested the GAA was not prepared to welcome Queen Elizabeth to Croke Park during the monarch's visit in 2011.

In her memoir Here's the Story, featured today in The Sunday Times with an exclusive extract, McAleese claims the diplomat never approached the GAA, as agreed, and instead appeared to decide himself that the Queen should not go to Croke Park.


If true, the diplomat should named. Also, if he or she is still alive they should be held to account. For a senior diplomat to wilfully lie to the president is an act of gross misconduct.
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The extract from the article as quoted suggests a totally opposite conclusion to that arrived at by the OP.
"...... the diplomat never approached the GAA as agreed and instead appeared to DECIDE HIMSELF THAT THE QUEEN SHOULD NOT GO TO CROKE PARK."

Perhaps the diplomat in question was an old traditional GAA supporter who was implacable opposed to the Queen stepping on the hallowed turf of Croke Park? It is just as valid a conclusion to make if not even more so.

It's also ironic that the OP is quoting an article from the The Times of London for validation of his belief that "the Dublin middle classes" hate the GAA!

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1433 - 22/09/2020 12:48:50    2293551

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He was a civil servant. He's since deceased and has been named in the press. Mary stuck the story in her book to help sell more copies. Quelle surprise ! The real story is not that he objected to the Queen going to Croke Park (he may have had valid reasons for his opinion on the matter) but that he over-stepped his authority and made a decision that wasn't his to make
I wonder did he have similar misgivings about Xi Jinping's visit

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 941 - 29/09/2020 11:01:41    2294698

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