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I know posters have asked it already but KillingFields are you 100% sure that you don't work for RTE?

Leftpeg1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 26 - 19/08/2020 14:51:28    2288262

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RTE have also given Claire Byrne the mid morning slot even though Sarah McInerney has been top class.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6813 - 19/08/2020 15:42:28    2288273

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "RTE have also given Claire Byrne the mid morning slot even though Sarah McInerney has been top class."
Honestly, it's as though they find out that a certain personality ****** off the majority of the general public and decides they'll shove them down the public's thoat anyway. . .Tubridy, Miriam, Bannon, Brennan. .I'm sure there are more

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3976 - 19/08/2020 15:51:23    2288278

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I know posters have asked it already but KillingFields are you 100% sure that you don't work for RTE?
Leftpeg1 (Westmeath) - Posts: 13 - 19/08/2020 14:51:28
I dont. Why would i?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1371 - 19/08/2020 15:56:48    2288283

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A snippet from a previous post of mine.

To fill a vacancy for whatever reason within the organisation doesn't necessarily have to go through an interviewing process, a tap on the shoulder, a text, or a phone call will suffice, that doesn't mean the wrong person gets the job, neither does it mean best suited person gets the job either. Gender balance / quotas I am all in favour of, provided the best suited person for the job gets the job. The person to fill Sean O' Rourke's position was to be filled from three nominated people, Sara McInerney, Miriam O'Callaghan and Claire Byrne, nothing wrong with that, but there's something not right about it when word broke through the media long before Sean O'Rourke had left his place of work, something unethical about that move. Sarah Mc Inerney was chosen to fill the position (albeit temporarily) and good luck to her. It's said Claire Byrne will fill the role on a permanent basis soon.

The job was always there for Claire Byrne to refuse. I'm a firm believer in job vacancy being posted / advertised, interviews held, and job offered. - Democratic and ethical, perhaps not politically correct though.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2114 - 19/08/2020 18:56:50    2288303

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Replying To supersub15:  "A snippet from a previous post of mine.

To fill a vacancy for whatever reason within the organisation doesn't necessarily have to go through an interviewing process, a tap on the shoulder, a text, or a phone call will suffice, that doesn't mean the wrong person gets the job, neither does it mean best suited person gets the job either. Gender balance / quotas I am all in favour of, provided the best suited person for the job gets the job. The person to fill Sean O' Rourke's position was to be filled from three nominated people, Sara McInerney, Miriam O'Callaghan and Claire Byrne, nothing wrong with that, but there's something not right about it when word broke through the media long before Sean O'Rourke had left his place of work, something unethical about that move. Sarah Mc Inerney was chosen to fill the position (albeit temporarily) and good luck to her. It's said Claire Byrne will fill the role on a permanent basis soon.

The job was always there for Claire Byrne to refuse. I'm a firm believer in job vacancy being posted / advertised, interviews held, and job offered. - Democratic and ethical, perhaps not politically correct though."
Not saying Clare Byrne is not a good candidate. But McInerney had been excellent. The public wanted McInerney to be kept on if the online reaction is anything to go by.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6813 - 19/08/2020 20:03:20    2288314

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I'm glad Claire Byrne got the job, sure she's a lovely lassie.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 946 - 19/08/2020 20:19:48    2288317

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Not saying Clare Byrne is not a good candidate. But McInerney had been excellent. The public wanted McInerney to be kept on if the online reaction is anything to go by."
I think Clare Byrne is a good presenter but Sarah McInerney has proven throughout her stint this summer that she is an outstanding candidate and a brilliant interviewer who can get politicians to answer her questions. She should have been given the job. Unfortunately RTE have proven over time that they get a lot of their key decisions wrong, this is the latest example.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1150 - 19/08/2020 22:16:43    2288327

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Not saying Clare Byrne is not a good candidate. But McInerney had been excellent. The public wanted McInerney to be kept on if the online reaction is anything to go by."
"The public wanted her". Did the public vote on it ....or are you being De Valers-like and looking into your heart to proclaim what the public wants?
The twitterati are not the public.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 1433 - 20/08/2020 03:46:17    2288338

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Where have you seen or heard 'RTE's model of allowing it's guests to shoot of the hip if you like, instigating debate' in action?"
Take your mind back two years to the GAA programming. Lyster was the perfect anchor on the live show and obviously difficult to replace. The highlights was top heavy with guests who were basically like your average GAA person albeit knowlegable and experts having an honest chat. Yes there were many things said that got certain players/counties backs up "What do you think of that Brolly" springs to mind.

However one thing about the Sunday game show was they were debated for the next 7 days across the country, everybody tuned in and it was part of the GAA weekend. We forgive RTE for having more discussion than match action because the content was so good.

Nowadays it is obvious every guest has a well planned script, it's predictable and boring and awkward to watch when one of the guests tries to speak what he/she really thinks of a situation. Now you have the situation of minimal game action but an awkward pre script discussion. As this is a GAA forum the GAA offered by RTE needs a complete overhaul; if they don't want discussion then forget it and just show more action (highlights) and in the live show come up with a model that requires little or no guests pre game and at HT. There is little point paying guests with the current model anyhow.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 645 - 20/08/2020 06:40:28    2288341

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  ""The public wanted her". Did the public vote on it ....or are you being De Valers-like and looking into your heart to proclaim what the public wants?
The twitterati are not the public."
Maybe I overstated it. Twitter and news articles about the topic are a good barometer in my opinion. The vast majority online wanted McInerney to stay on. That's all I am saying.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 6813 - 20/08/2020 09:56:50    2288349

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Replying To sam1884:  "Take your mind back two years to the GAA programming. Lyster was the perfect anchor on the live show and obviously difficult to replace. The highlights was top heavy with guests who were basically like your average GAA person albeit knowlegable and experts having an honest chat. Yes there were many things said that got certain players/counties backs up "What do you think of that Brolly" springs to mind.

However one thing about the Sunday game show was they were debated for the next 7 days across the country, everybody tuned in and it was part of the GAA weekend. We forgive RTE for having more discussion than match action because the content was so good.

Nowadays it is obvious every guest has a well planned script, it's predictable and boring and awkward to watch when one of the guests tries to speak what he/she really thinks of a situation. Now you have the situation of minimal game action but an awkward pre script discussion. As this is a GAA forum the GAA offered by RTE needs a complete overhaul; if they don't want discussion then forget it and just show more action (highlights) and in the live show come up with a model that requires little or no guests pre game and at HT. There is little point paying guests with the current model anyhow."
Definitely Michael Lyster was a better presenter than Joanne Cantwell or Des Cahill but I still don't remember much shooting off the hip or instigating debate. Brolly used to never stop shooting off the hip but usually ranted on a topic of his choosing. But it's a fair point that there seems to be a prepared script nowadays. It's very lifeless on a Sunday night. Tomás O'Sé looks like he's bored most of the time on the highlights show, like he doesn't want to be there. Listening to his podcasts the past few months I think he could be a great presenter but the Sunday Game script would be too politically correct for Tomás.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5873 - 20/08/2020 10:41:38    2288363

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well I see Richard Sadlier has been instigating debate, all over twitter for his views on Leipzig and PSG.

Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 1955 - 20/08/2020 11:34:34    2288377

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Replying To Rosineri1:  "well I see Richard Sadlier has been instigating debate, all over twitter for his views on Leipzig and PSG."
Richie 'very interesting' Sadlier. Johnny Giles might be old and old school but Sadlier's no upgrade.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5873 - 20/08/2020 11:54:28    2288382

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Replying To wicklowsupport:  "I think Clare Byrne is a good presenter but Sarah McInerney has proven throughout her stint this summer that she is an outstanding candidate and a brilliant interviewer who can get politicians to answer her questions. She should have been given the job. Unfortunately RTE have proven over time that they get a lot of their key decisions wrong, this is the latest example."
Since Sarah McInerney replaced Sean O'Rourke in May, she has been excellent, persistent in her questioning of politicians, and very good all round. I would have no problem if she was the job permanently.
I hope RTE find a show to utilise her broadcasting skills. It's Claire Byrne from next Monday, good luck to her, a Laois woman from over the Slieve Blooms.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 46 - 20/08/2020 11:59:24    2288384

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Definitely Michael Lyster was a better presenter than Joanne Cantwell or Des Cahill but I still don't remember much shooting off the hip or instigating debate. Brolly used to never stop shooting off the hip but usually ranted on a topic of his choosing. But it's a fair point that there seems to be a prepared script nowadays. It's very lifeless on a Sunday night. Tomás O'Sé looks like he's bored most of the time on the highlights show, like he doesn't want to be there. Listening to his podcasts the past few months I think he could be a great presenter but the Sunday Game script would be too politically correct for Tomás."
He's had plenty of opportunity to properly analyse a game too tho, and he hasn't exactly set the world alight.

How difficult is it to let 2 knowledgeable pundits have a 5 minute slot where they can properly discuss how 2 teams have set up tactically and how that shaped the game?

Canavan and McGuinness do it all the time on Sky and usually get it spot on.

What's stopping RTE doing the same? The Sunday Game is a nothing show these days, adds absolutely nothing bar some very short highlights of games not shown live earlier that day.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3976 - 20/08/2020 12:07:54    2288387

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Not saying Clare Byrne is not a good candidate. But McInerney had been excellent. The public wanted McInerney to be kept on if the online reaction is anything to go by."
A sniped from a previous post of mine.


To fill a vacancy for whatever reason within the organisation doesn't necessarily have to go through an interviewing process, a tap on the shoulder, a text, or a phone call will suffice, that doesn't mean the wrong person gets the job, neither does it mean best suited person gets the job either. Gender balance / quotas I am all in favour of, provided the best suited person for the job gets the job. The person to fill Sean O' Rourke's position was to be filled from three nominated people, Sara Mc Inerney, Miriam O'Callaghan and Claire Byrne, nothing wrong with that, but there's something not right about it when word broke through the media long before Sean O'Rourke had left his place of work, something unethical about that move. Sarah Mc Inerney was chosen to fill the position (albeit temporarily) and good luck to her. It's said Claire Byrne will fill the role on a permanent basis soon.


Prime time's David Mc Cullough is a serious professional, he is joining the 6.01 News. He will be a serious loss to Prime time, if, whoever is taking over his job is half as good as David she / she will be a success. I just wonder was / is his move politically thought out.


Sarah Mc Inerney is destined for "Prime Time", sooner rather than later.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2114 - 20/08/2020 14:38:50    2288409

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Replying To cavanman47:  "He's had plenty of opportunity to properly analyse a game too tho, and he hasn't exactly set the world alight.

How difficult is it to let 2 knowledgeable pundits have a 5 minute slot where they can properly discuss how 2 teams have set up tactically and how that shaped the game?

Canavan and McGuinness do it all the time on Sky and usually get it spot on.

What's stopping RTE doing the same? The Sunday Game is a nothing show these days, adds absolutely nothing bar some very short highlights of games not shown live earlier that day."
I agree that RTE go for people of the same ilk as oppose to someone who offers a different opinion. Punditry on RTE tends to sound like it is scripted as someone else on this forum has pointed out. Just like the game of gaelic football, when something is scripted, it tends to become boring to listen to or watch after a while. People would like to see a bit of analysis and some form of debate/discussion about a particular game or around a topic like for example, what the GAA should do to incorporate both the club and county in one playing season. Unfortunately, we don't get that from RTE these days and I believe that this is turning people off the likes of the Sunday Game. Another thing that is turning people away from RTE is the propaganda spun out by RTE on behalf of the GAA in relation to our games. Yes hurling is a great game and maybe it is the best game in the world but what about the fact that about 10 out of 32 counties play for the All Ireland hurling title every year and what is the GAA doing to help the other 22 to caught up; how many times have you heard that discussed on the Sunday Game. Never except for the fact that Offaly has slipped back. No disrespect to Offaly but why should Offaly be singled out as oppose to Carlow. It is because Offaly were part of the establishment up to very recently and have fallen back in with the also rans. RTE won't change until they start to employ independent thinkers who are allowed to express their unvarnished views and opinions and be asked to back up their views. Dream on.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1150 - 20/08/2020 14:47:43    2288411

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Replying To cavanman47:  "He's had plenty of opportunity to properly analyse a game too tho, and he hasn't exactly set the world alight.

How difficult is it to let 2 knowledgeable pundits have a 5 minute slot where they can properly discuss how 2 teams have set up tactically and how that shaped the game?

Canavan and McGuinness do it all the time on Sky and usually get it spot on.

What's stopping RTE doing the same? The Sunday Game is a nothing show these days, adds absolutely nothing bar some very short highlights of games not shown live earlier that day."
Greenandred is spot on in regards Tomas's podcasts; I'm not sure if you've listened to them! He is witty, tactically knowlegable and shows how good he could be as a pundit or presenter for that matter. It goes to my point about the Sunday game; he isn't allowed the space; it's obvious a script is prepared likely to ensure nothing too controversial is said. We have to respect the amateur ethos and not get personal; totally get that but there is ways of calling out a team's poor performance; analysis to me is discussed well before hand and a decision taken if it can be aired!

I'm sure it's a decent payday and they've seen what can happen if they won't follow a script so I can't blame guests for sitting their going through the motions. It's a very poor GAA show as a result though and a waste of license payers money tbh.

The other thought is does the GAA want it this way! It's possible they didn't like the old model on the Sunday game and demanded change to a politically correct model.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 645 - 20/08/2020 14:55:03    2288416

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Replying To sam1884:  "Greenandred is spot on in regards Tomas's podcasts; I'm not sure if you've listened to them! He is witty, tactically knowlegable and shows how good he could be as a pundit or presenter for that matter. It goes to my point about the Sunday game; he isn't allowed the space; it's obvious a script is prepared likely to ensure nothing too controversial is said. We have to respect the amateur ethos and not get personal; totally get that but there is ways of calling out a team's poor performance; analysis to me is discussed well before hand and a decision taken if it can be aired!

I'm sure it's a decent payday and they've seen what can happen if they won't follow a script so I can't blame guests for sitting their going through the motions. It's a very poor GAA show as a result though and a waste of license payers money tbh.

The other thought is does the GAA want it this way! It's possible they didn't like the old model on the Sunday game and demanded change to a politically correct model."
You can still be politically correct and actually analyse a game properly and a team's performance.

I've listened to one of Tomas' podcasts. They weren't analysing a match in it so I'm basing what I've said on his record over the last few years on TV.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3976 - 20/08/2020 16:29:07    2288429

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