National Forum

RTE.

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post


Replying To updwell:  "Well said Canuck why would anyone want to bring left and right into Irish politics. Look at the state of the US and they aren't even that extreme in their left / right views. Like most Irish people I would have a mixed view of different issues and be seen as left-wing(gay marriage, pro immigration, minority rights) and right-wing (anti-abotion,church goer) but in today's world people want to put you in 1 box or the other. Just let people get on with their lives and don't push your views and opinions on them and we'll all be happier."
I dont think trying to remove left and right or not talk about how parties can have wildly divergent beliefs on the same issue is a bad thing.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1659 - 10/10/2020 13:05:13    2296684

Link

Replying To KillingFields:  "I dont think trying to remove left and right or not talk about how parties can have wildly divergent beliefs on the same issue is a bad thing."
Fair enough KillingFields but why should every opinion and view be labelled left or right. Most people have a wider range of opinions that can go right across the spectrum. Do we really need a divived society like the US?

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 412 - 10/10/2020 20:35:50    2296726

Link

Replying To updwell:  "Fair enough KillingFields but why should every opinion and view be labelled left or right. Most people have a wider range of opinions that can go right across the spectrum. Do we really need a divived society like the US?"
Because they are different and what other way do you use to show different viewpoints?
Left and Right goes across the spectrum and we have a very divided society across multiple issues just like any other country

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1659 - 10/10/2020 21:25:44    2296729

Link

Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Spot on, the thing I don't like about RTE is they are part of and used by the establishment to push their agenda, notice how they have made Labour and Alan Kelly the leader of the opposition with his 7 TD's!!,
they treat Sinn Fein and anything to do with the north of Ireland as dirt on their shoes,
as for us up here in the far northwest we might as well not exist, we get better news coverage from BBC NI."
Have to totally agree. Gerry Adams on Late Late in the 90s was ambushed by whole panel plus presenter but he made wee boys out of them. Wouldn't even shake his hand, blood boiling stuff.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 277 - 10/10/2020 22:01:59    2296739

Link

Replying To DuhallowRed:  "RTE News rarely ever report outside the M50, Virgin Media News do a lot better job covering stories throughout Ireland"
TG4 are the best for rural Ireland imho. They show the true Irish Catholic story. Apologies to Irish Protestants.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1930 - 11/10/2020 15:23:10    2296818

Link

Replying To galwayford:  "TG4 are the best for rural Ireland imho. They show the true Irish Catholic story. Apologies to Irish Protestants."
Ahh catholicism, the original virus in Ireland, took us a long time to find a vaccine but I think we're getting there.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1358 - 12/10/2020 00:26:20    2296904

Link

Replying To lilypad:  "Ahh catholicism, the original virus in Ireland, took us a long time to find a vaccine but I think we're getting there."
It will be great to see Proud Irish Catholic Joe Biden, win the Presidency of the USA.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1930 - 12/10/2020 14:18:32    2297002

Link

Replying To lilypad:  "Ahh catholicism, the original virus in Ireland, took us a long time to find a vaccine but I think we're getting there."
There's no issue with Catholicism, - this is the formulae.

Catholicism = Immortal software.
Church = Mortal hardware

The original virus in Ireland dates back to "Paganistic" Ireland and Bush schools, supported by old wives tales.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2162 - 12/10/2020 15:20:10    2297027

Link

Replying To supersub15:  "There's no issue with Catholicism, - this is the formulae.

Catholicism = Immortal software.
Church = Mortal hardware

The original virus in Ireland dates back to "Paganistic" Ireland and Bush schools, supported by old wives tales."
Thankfully we were under their rule for only a tiny percentage of our long history.
And it won't be long until its completey gone.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1358 - 12/10/2020 16:40:16    2297054

Link

Replying To galwayford:  "It will be great to see Proud Irish Catholic Joe Biden, win the Presidency of the USA."
Biden is an embarrassment

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1358 - 12/10/2020 16:40:56    2297056

Link

Replying To lilypad:  "Biden is an embarrassment"
Not at all and regardless is a mile better than the orange yoke running for the republicans

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 1659 - 12/10/2020 17:35:37    2297069

Link

Replying To lilypad:  "Biden is an embarrassment"
I am sure I have heard someone say Trump is an embarrassment. but to compensate for that, his wife is a practicing Catholic, there's hope for him yet.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2162 - 12/10/2020 18:16:50    2297083

Link

Replying To Saynothing:  "Have to totally agree. Gerry Adams on Late Late in the 90s was ambushed by whole panel plus presenter but he made wee boys out of them. Wouldn't even shake his hand, blood boiling stuff."
Terrible, almost like a kangaroo court, love how you got Adams and ambushed into same sentence. On the bright side he made it home safely. Many did not.

seadog54 (Meath) - Posts: 1435 - 12/10/2020 18:49:06    2297090

Link

Replying To lilypad:  "Biden is an embarrassment"
Harris would be a more credible candidate than Biden for me, though you can be sure if she was running for President that Trump would ramp up the racial, anti-immigrant, anti-female brigade to generate votes. No doubt he'll do that anyway.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5956 - 12/10/2020 19:08:09    2297093

Link

Replying To lilypad:  "Thankfully we were under their rule for only a tiny percentage of our long history.
And it won't be long until its completey gone."
Sorry Lilypad, the Catholic Church won't disappear completely. It will not have the same influence as in previous times. The Church has made mistakes but only a minority of the religious were involved in the various scandals, the majority are perfectly fine people. It suits the anti church brigade to spin the yarn that the whole lot of them are corrupt. That just doesn't make sense if you think about it. The problem is some people don't think. The church provided health and education in the past when the state could not.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 117 - 12/10/2020 19:21:59    2297099

Link

Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Sorry Lilypad, the Catholic Church won't disappear completely. It will not have the same influence as in previous times. The Church has made mistakes but only a minority of the religious were involved in the various scandals, the majority are perfectly fine people. It suits the anti church brigade to spin the yarn that the whole lot of them are corrupt. That just doesn't make sense if you think about it. The problem is some people don't think. The church provided health and education in the past when the state could not."
Fair point, there are many decent people within the Catholic clergy though their numbers are diminishing. And there are many decent devout Catholic lay people. They had, and still have plenty of money to provide health and education. They used their influence in education to abuse children and some of them still lie about what they saw. So it's not just an anti-church brigade that are critical of the Catholic Church. There are reasons to be critical. They're not the only religious organisation to have commuted dodgy deals either, far from it.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5956 - 12/10/2020 20:59:20    2297122

Link

Replying To GreenandRed:  "Fair point, there are many decent people within the Catholic clergy though their numbers are diminishing. And there are many decent devout Catholic lay people. They had, and still have plenty of money to provide health and education. They used their influence in education to abuse children and some of them still lie about what they saw. So it's not just an anti-church brigade that are critical of the Catholic Church. There are reasons to be critical. They're not the only religious organisation to have commuted dodgy deals either, far from it."
Not every religious person abused someone in their care, teaching or whatever. There are cases of lay teachers abusing pupils, just as lay persons abused children, sometimes family members.
The big problem with the church was those in authority ignored the problem, until it exploded in their faces.
There is a plan to deal with incidents in each diocese now, and so there should be.
The bad eggs ruined things for the majority who did no wrong.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 117 - 12/10/2020 22:47:52    2297146

Link

Replying To GreenandRed:  "Fair point, there are many decent people within the Catholic clergy though their numbers are diminishing. And there are many decent devout Catholic lay people. They had, and still have plenty of money to provide health and education. They used their influence in education to abuse children and some of them still lie about what they saw. So it's not just an anti-church brigade that are critical of the Catholic Church. There are reasons to be critical. They're not the only religious organisation to have commuted dodgy deals either, far from it."
In general I have the greatest respect for people irrespective of their politics, religion or gender and I'm certainly not a bitter person, to tar everyone with the same brush as they say is not good either, it reminds me of a head line caption in Sundays Indo which read, " Have Women any idea of how much Men hate them." The more you read into her column the more you could see she had her reasons, however, as we say there are many decent lay people within the catholic church without guilt, so too are there many decent men in our mists and not all are guilty of crimes or suggestive crimes against women as Ms O' Malley puts in print. In fairness to her she probably knew that the headline would get people to read further in, nothing wrong with all of that except it lacked a bit of political correctness shall we say.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2162 - 12/10/2020 23:00:05    2297148

Link

Now there is Amy Cohen Barrett running for Supreme Court! A member of "people of praise" cult within Catholic religion! Charismatic catholic where the man is head of household. Will plunge America into dark ages with 6 out of 9 right wing zealots running the country. Roll on Biden/Harris and pack the courts When elected!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 538 - 12/10/2020 23:49:55    2297153

Link

of course, there were some great people in the church down the years, education was there, but it was quite literally rammed down the students throats, I can testify to that,
But all you have to do is look at mass attendance, it'll be gone in a couple of generations.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1358 - 13/10/2020 01:18:23    2297162

Link