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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "My apologies you'll have to forgive the predictive text on my phones keyboard my sentence should have read "I'll use the term in debate and conversation when its applicable""
Terms like Snowflake and Woke are intended to be offensive and are used randomly in an attempt belittle people. Their use, and the issues you use to describe a snowflake, ultimately show a distinct lack of self awareness. No debate necessary.

Glensboy (Antrim) - Posts: 251 - 06/10/2020 22:15:14    2296165

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Dualsport. For me a snowflake isn't left or right or centre or whatever you're having. It's someone who goes out of their way to be offended and root out what they see as the offensive terms in an argument and completely ignore someone elses point of view. At least if someone is left or right they have a stance on something and might even be admired even if you strongly disagree with their beliefs and opinions. Snowflake is a bit unfair to someone who could have mental issues maybe, though was there as much mental stress before social media? There are those people who believe that posting Black Lives matter or Save Paris banners on Facebook after a terrorist attack will change extreme views and actions, it won't. That's as much activism as they'll be involved in and they'll take offence if you suggest that all lives matter. They're best ignored. I've no time for organised religion and every religion has genuinely devout well meaning respectful people and a minority of wrongdoers who give them a bad name. The media will skew people's opinions by sensationalising the bad stuff. I think in Ireland a leftie, or bearded leftie as they were sometimes known, is a socialist who genuinely works for better rights and conditions for the working class. Not many of them in RTE. A bunch of public servants living on taxpayers money and offering very little new or creative."
in this country the narrative is, lefty is pro-lockdown, pro-gender neutral rubbish, pro-minority more important than majority.
Right is anti-lockdown/mask, anti-black, anti-gay and white privileged .

Apparently there is no middle ground permitted. This country has lost its soul.

lilypad (Kildare) - Posts: 1358 - 06/10/2020 22:30:43    2296167

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Dualsport. For me a snowflake isn't left or right or centre or whatever you're having. It's someone who goes out of their way to be offended and root out what they see as the offensive terms in an argument and completely ignore someone elses point of view. At least if someone is left or right they have a stance on something and might even be admired even if you strongly disagree with their beliefs and opinions. Snowflake is a bit unfair to someone who could have mental issues maybe, though was there as much mental stress before social media? There are those people who believe that posting Black Lives matter or Save Paris banners on Facebook after a terrorist attack will change extreme views and actions, it won't. That's as much activism as they'll be involved in and they'll take offence if you suggest that all lives matter. They're best ignored. I've no time for organised religion and every religion has genuinely devout well meaning respectful people and a minority of wrongdoers who give them a bad name. The media will skew people's opinions by sensationalising the bad stuff. I think in Ireland a leftie, or bearded leftie as they were sometimes known, is a socialist who genuinely works for better rights and conditions for the working class. Not many of them in RTE. A bunch of public servants living on taxpayers money and offering very little new or creative."
Spot on, the thing I don't like about RTE is they are part of and used by the establishment to push their agenda, notice how they have made Labour and Alan Kelly the leader of the opposition with his 7 TD's!!,
they treat Sinn Fein and anything to do with the north of Ireland as dirt on their shoes,
as for us up here in the far northwest we might as well not exist, we get better news coverage from BBC NI.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1076 - 06/10/2020 22:33:12    2296168

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Dualsport. For me a snowflake isn't left or right or centre or whatever you're having. It's someone who goes out of their way to be offended and root out what they see as the offensive terms in an argument and completely ignore someone elses point of view. At least if someone is left or right they have a stance on something and might even be admired even if you strongly disagree with their beliefs and opinions. Snowflake is a bit unfair to someone who could have mental issues maybe, though was there as much mental stress before social media? There are those people who believe that posting Black Lives matter or Save Paris banners on Facebook after a terrorist attack will change extreme views and actions, it won't. That's as much activism as they'll be involved in and they'll take offence if you suggest that all lives matter. They're best ignored. I've no time for organised religion and every religion has genuinely devout well meaning respectful people and a minority of wrongdoers who give them a bad name. The media will skew people's opinions by sensationalising the bad stuff. I think in Ireland a leftie, or bearded leftie as they were sometimes known, is a socialist who genuinely works for better rights and conditions for the working class. Not many of them in RTE. A bunch of public servants living on taxpayers money and offering very little new or creative."
Very fair and well put post GreenandRed. I do believe for the most part people who are left/right/centre are decent people but it's my belief that there is an ultra-left agenda trying to push it's ideology on Irish society and the carry on during the BLM protests earlier this year only furthered my belief more on this, It was something that had nothing to do with Ireland yet we were all more or less told we were a racist country by the media and leo Varadkar's speech at that time was nothing short of disgraceful but at saying all that there are the like of Gemma O'Doherty on the right who are every bit as bad in a different way. I have made my beliefs about RTE known on this thread before I'll be only annoying people mentioning them again.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 719 - 06/10/2020 22:53:00    2296170

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Spot on, the thing I don't like about RTE is they are part of and used by the establishment to push their agenda, notice how they have made Labour and Alan Kelly the leader of the opposition with his 7 TD's!!,
they treat Sinn Fein and anything to do with the north of Ireland as dirt on their shoes,
as for us up here in the far northwest we might as well not exist, we get better news coverage from BBC NI."
RTE News rarely ever report outside the M50, Virgin Media News do a lot better job covering stories throughout Ireland

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 140 - 07/10/2020 01:09:23    2296181

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Replying To Glensboy:  "Terms like Snowflake and Woke are intended to be offensive and are used randomly in an attempt belittle people. Their use, and the issues you use to describe a snowflake, ultimately show a distinct lack of self awareness. No debate necessary."
No bother. But I just want to let you know ultra-left groups like Anifa started the term "woke" to describe themselves so now are you telling me they are offended by it.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 719 - 07/10/2020 09:54:56    2296190

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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "No bother. But I just want to let you know ultra-left groups like Anifa started the term "woke" to describe themselves so now are you telling me they are offended by it."
To be anti-fascism is to be ultra-left. Interesting.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 195 - 07/10/2020 16:38:55    2296275

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Spot on, the thing I don't like about RTE is they are part of and used by the establishment to push their agenda, notice how they have made Labour and Alan Kelly the leader of the opposition with his 7 TD's!!,
they treat Sinn Fein and anything to do with the north of Ireland as dirt on their shoes,
as for us up here in the far northwest we might as well not exist, we get better news coverage from BBC NI."
Who are "they" and what system did they use in (b) to get Alan Kelly installed as the labour party leader when clearly there was external hurdles to jump.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2162 - 07/10/2020 16:59:46    2296279

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "To be anti-fascism is to be ultra-left. Interesting."
To be anti fascist isn't extreme left, but the group that is use the name are

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 140 - 07/10/2020 18:17:31    2296295

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Replying To Glensboy:  "Terms like Snowflake and Woke are intended to be offensive and are used randomly in an attempt belittle people. Their use, and the issues you use to describe a snowflake, ultimately show a distinct lack of self awareness. No debate necessary."
Depends on the context, can often be used humorously, though the terms can be offensive. Like the expression 'you're some bollox' to a new work colleague after a few weeks would shock the majority of non-Irish people who aren't living here that long. But many Irish people would read it as, 'That's sound, I'm part of the gang now the lads are having the craic with me' . A strange cultural thing that's not for everyone. You can use the woke and snowflake terms to be offensive but it depends on how the person receives the comments. I think in 2020, and definitely further than wider than Ireland, that social media has made us more sensitive to some forms of criticism and has affected people's mental health. Unfortunately during COVID times this has gotten worse as it can be our only way if communicating with the outside world.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 5956 - 07/10/2020 18:17:34    2296296

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "To be anti-fascism is to be ultra-left. Interesting."
That is a silly and lazy reply to discredit my comment, I have the same disgust for fascism as I do for the far-left and anifa are nothing more than far-left George Soros funded thugs and it's simply wrong to believe otherwise. Look this is my last comment on the subject because I have left myself down enough in the last few days in this discussion. I only wanted to share a mutual respect for a journalist with another poster, I really didn't believe people would get that up-tight about a term I feel myself is fairly trivial.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 719 - 07/10/2020 21:25:00    2296324

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Left and right, right and left, far right, far left, all b.s. Keep the subjects at each others throats and they will miss what the politicians are doing (riding the gravy train) and not doing. The so called left are all huff and puff but the so called far right are more dangerous as they have the rich hiding in the weeds supporting them with white supremacy, dictatorship control, tax reform for them not to pay but get more and more of yours.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 987 - 07/10/2020 23:59:32    2296340

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Depends on the context, can often be used humorously, though the terms can be offensive. Like the expression 'you're some bollox' to a new work colleague after a few weeks would shock the majority of non-Irish people who aren't living here that long. But many Irish people would read it as, 'That's sound, I'm part of the gang now the lads are having the craic with me' . A strange cultural thing that's not for everyone. You can use the woke and snowflake terms to be offensive but it depends on how the person receives the comments. I think in 2020, and definitely further than wider than Ireland, that social media has made us more sensitive to some forms of criticism and has affected people's mental health. Unfortunately during COVID times this has gotten worse as it can be our only way if communicating with the outside world."
I agree with Glensboy here to an extent. I think as soon as someone uses the term 'snowflake' or 'woke' etc they are just attempting to polarise the particular debate into the wider 'culture wars' BS, and frame it as such.

The use of those terms shuts down any nuanced debate over the particular issue as well. Whenever someone uses those terms I think it really says 'I disagree with you but don't have the cognitive abilities to actually articulate why so I'll just throw out some sort of tired cliché instead'. Same with those decrying everything as a Cultural Marxist George Soros style plot. It's an attempt to disagree without having to in any way actually explain why they disagree. Ironically those that use the above script often like to call those that disagree with them 'sheep'!

It's the same as those on 'the other side' that accuse everyone who disagrees with them as a fascist or racist or sexist or whatnot.

People need to get the heads out of their ***** and learn how to have discussion like adults and stop relying on their script (from whichever 'side' their on.)

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13148 - 08/10/2020 08:31:01    2296346

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Replying To DUALSUPPORT:  "That is a silly and lazy reply to discredit my comment, I have the same disgust for fascism as I do for the far-left and anifa are nothing more than far-left George Soros funded thugs and it's simply wrong to believe otherwise. Look this is my last comment on the subject because I have left myself down enough in the last few days in this discussion. I only wanted to share a mutual respect for a journalist with another poster, I really didn't believe people would get that up-tight about a term I feel myself is fairly trivial."
"George Soros funded thugs"

We're finding out more and more about your "centre-right politics" as you go on! ;)

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 195 - 08/10/2020 10:33:36    2296369

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  ""George Soros funded thugs"

We're finding out more and more about your "centre-right politics" as you go on! ;)"
So the group that call themselves AntiFa aren't thugs then?

Anyway enough of politics, let's move on

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 140 - 08/10/2020 12:06:39    2296391

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "So the group that call themselves AntiFa aren't thugs then?

Anyway enough of politics, let's move on"
You should be able to see the problem in perpetuating any unfounded myth that suggests a supposed extreme movement or agenda is being orchestrated by a rich Jewish man.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 195 - 08/10/2020 13:44:22    2296408

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "You should be able to see the problem in perpetuating any unfounded myth that suggests a supposed extreme movement or agenda is being orchestrated by a rich Jewish man."
I really didnt want to continue on in this discussion but im not letting that disgusting comment go. You absolute horrible twat I didn't bring that man's race into the debate you just did, I know exactly what you are trying to insinuate against me and that says alot more about your character than mine. I criticised one individual that doesn't make me against a whole group of people nor does George Soros race put him above scrutiny. It is widely known the social and financial interference he has being involved in, in different countries and societies.

DUALSUPPORT (Limerick) - Posts: 719 - 08/10/2020 16:16:01    2296434

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "You should be able to see the problem in perpetuating any unfounded myth that suggests a supposed extreme movement or agenda is being orchestrated by a rich Jewish man."
Your the one who brought up his religion, says a lot more about you than me

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 140 - 08/10/2020 20:07:39    2296466

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RTE keep telling us to wash our hands, social distance, wear the maks and stay within the county. Now they send Catriona Perry to Derry to interview the SDLP. From Dublin to Derry.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 1930 - 10/10/2020 11:25:22    2296672

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Replying To Canuck:  "Left and right, right and left, far right, far left, all b.s. Keep the subjects at each others throats and they will miss what the politicians are doing (riding the gravy train) and not doing. The so called left are all huff and puff but the so called far right are more dangerous as they have the rich hiding in the weeds supporting them with white supremacy, dictatorship control, tax reform for them not to pay but get more and more of yours."
Well said Canuck why would anyone want to bring left and right into Irish politics. Look at the state of the US and they aren't even that extreme in their left / right views. Like most Irish people I would have a mixed view of different issues and be seen as left-wing(gay marriage, pro immigration, minority rights) and right-wing (anti-abotion,church goer) but in today's world people want to put you in 1 box or the other. Just let people get on with their lives and don't push your views and opinions on them and we'll all be happier.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 412 - 10/10/2020 11:33:43    2296674

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