National - Adrian Tuohy

Replying To grellans89:  "Are you having a laugh?
Austin Gleeson 100% went to pull the faceguard of his opponent today with the intention of doing so, deserves to get the suspension as rules are rules. All this sentiment etc about a great player not getting a chance to play in a final is nonsense."
I never mentioned anything about what kind of player Gleeson is. Tuohy deserves a ban as much as Gleeson whether he grabbed the face of the helmet or not makes no difference the offence is interfering with the face guard or any part of the helmet deliberately which Tuohy did. Gleeson did the same thing but if there is no ban for Tuohy Gleeson can't be banned.

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts:980 - 13/08/2017 22:04:31   2032952

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Replying To lowandhard:  "Austin Gleeson has to be a banned if it's fair play. Tuohy didn't grab the helmets face guard Gleeson did grab the face guard. If the rules are enforced fairly Austin Gleeson should be banned. If the GAA bottle it, it will make a laughing stock of this rule and be typical of the GAA. where is the judge now ??"
As I have said above (imagine it's been posted) the offence is interfering with the helmet . Tuohy interfered with the helmet deliberately so should be banned

Gleeson interfered with the face guard deliberately which should be a ban .

If Tuohy doesn't get a ban Gleeson shouldn't get a ban if CCC is constant . Both commited offences under the same rule just different sections as one was with the face guard and other with the helmet itself.

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts:980 - 13/08/2017 22:07:35   2032956

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Replying To dubshurling7:  "As I have said above (imagine it's been posted) the offence is interfering with the helmet . Tuohy interfered with the helmet deliberately so should be banned

Gleeson interfered with the face guard deliberately which should be a ban .

If Tuohy doesn't get a ban Gleeson shouldn't get a ban if CCC is constant . Both commited offences under the same rule just different sections as one was with the face guard and other with the helmet itself."
it's deliberately interfering with the helmet. Tuohy's hand was at the back of Mahers helmet while chasing back after the ball. Player was behind him . Austin Gleeson was a deliberate grabing of the face guard and pulling the helmet of the head. player was on the ground under him and the ball was out of play.

lowandhard (Galway) - Posts:19 - 13/08/2017 22:33:12   2032975

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Austin Gleason should be banned. It is beyond stupid for a Waterford player to interfere with a helmet after all the controversy of the past few weeks. He is a gifted hurler and inspirational so often. However he lets himself down by acts like this, and this is not the first time. Even Loughnane acknowledged that much. And before Deise men start saying what would Louth men know, our own great Cu Chulainn would never do that. A sliothar down a dog's throat is not a red card offence! It is great to see Brick Walsh, Jamie Barron, O'Mahoney et al play in the final, but the Gleesons should not be there,

LaLu (Louth) - Posts:154 - 13/08/2017 22:38:14   2032979

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Replying To dubshurling7:  "I never mentioned anything about what kind of player Gleeson is. Tuohy deserves a ban as much as Gleeson whether he grabbed the face of the helmet or not makes no difference the offence is interfering with the face guard or any part of the helmet deliberately which Tuohy did. Gleeson did the same thing but if there is no ban for Tuohy Gleeson can't be banned."
Were you watching the Sunday game he clearly pulled the face guard and was facing Meade the cork player tuohy was not facing his opponent there is a difference and too be honest we would like to win the all ireland again Waterfords best 15.

bud14 (Galway) - Posts:202 - 13/08/2017 22:38:50   2032980

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Replying To dubshurling7:  "I never mentioned anything about what kind of player Gleeson is. Tuohy deserves a ban as much as Gleeson whether he grabbed the face of the helmet or not makes no difference the offence is interfering with the face guard or any part of the helmet deliberately which Tuohy did. Gleeson did the same thing but if there is no ban for Tuohy Gleeson can't be banned."
IMO Gleeson's was 100% deliberate. Clasped his fingers around the faceguard and ripped the helmet off. Definitely knew what he was doing.

Tuohy is far more of a grey area. He's facing the opposite direction and doesn't touch the faceguard. He has his arm back to hold off Bonner and his hand flips the back of Bonner's helmet and it comes off.

That said I think Gleeson will get off as there will be war if he doesn't.

Marooned (Galway) - Posts:1423 - 13/08/2017 23:32:04   2033004

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Replying To Killarney.87:  "Careful what you wish for alright.

I think it's a simple enough one.

He'll be banned if it's in the referee's report if not he will get off like Tuohy. Silly boy to do it with all the talk about helmets these days."
I expect it will not be in the referee's report. Within the context of the game I expect he'll get away with it. What will probably happen is that Conor Gleeson's red card will stand and he'll be suspended and Austin will get off in the trade off. But this rule really needs to be looked at and amended. It should be a yellow card offence minimum and left to the referee's discretion to decide if a particular incident deserves a red. At the moment it's a blunt instument that doesn't allow for context.

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts:830 - 14/08/2017 04:02:32   2033036

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If Galway want to win an All Ireland against Waterford, they will want to win it playing against the best players. I hope Gleeson is playing and it will all depend on the ref and CCC to determine his fate. He made a mistake in a split second and it would be a pity if he has to loose out on a chance to play in an All Ireland Final.

TribalCharlie (Galway) - Posts:145 - 14/08/2017 08:22:37   2033047

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Replying To dubshurling7:  "As I have said above (imagine it's been posted) the offence is interfering with the helmet . Tuohy interfered with the helmet deliberately so should be banned

Gleeson interfered with the face guard deliberately which should be a ban .

If Tuohy doesn't get a ban Gleeson shouldn't get a ban if CCC is constant . Both commited offences under the same rule just different sections as one was with the face guard and other with the helmet itself."
Morally u are probably right......however there is a subtle difference

From the pictures it is conclusive the Gleeson gripped the face guard and pulled it off, therefore there can be little doubt it was deliberate.

Touhy on the other hand didn't seem to have an obvious gripping or pulling action therefore it would have been next to impossible to prove it was deliberate. It may (probably was) deliberate but I would imagine that was the reason behind the decision not to take it further. They wouldn't have been able to make it stick.

Why do players do it anyway. No major advantage to be gained but huge consequences. It is not like you are intimidating someone, going to get a psychological upper hand or anything. It is not a hit so u are not taking it out of them physically either. It seems like "Dougal - don't press the red button". It is not allowed therefore we must do it. Childish behaviour that shows a lack of respect for your own team mates and a serious lack of discipline. you only put ur own team at risk for a split second of smug satisfaction. I have no pity for any of them that do it deliberately that get banned.

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts:446 - 14/08/2017 09:10:33   2033058

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "I expect it will not be in the referee's report. Within the context of the game I expect he'll get away with it. What will probably happen is that Conor Gleeson's red card will stand and he'll be suspended and Austin will get off in the trade off. But this rule really needs to be looked at and amended. It should be a yellow card offence minimum and left to the referee's discretion to decide if a particular incident deserves a red. At the moment it's a blunt instument that doesn't allow for context."


My sentiments exactly.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts:597 - 14/08/2017 10:30:38   2033108

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As Eddie Brennan said last night on the SG the footage is conclusive, Gleeson should have got a red card.
Hes a fantastic hurler but he is inclined to get involved in stuff that should be beneath a player of his ability.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts:2880 - 14/08/2017 12:20:44   2033184

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Replying To PoolSturgeon:  "I expect it will not be in the referee's report. Within the context of the game I expect he'll get away with it. What will probably happen is that Conor Gleeson's red card will stand and he'll be suspended and Austin will get off in the trade off. But this rule really needs to be looked at and amended. It should be a yellow card offence minimum and left to the referee's discretion to decide if a particular incident deserves a red. At the moment it's a blunt instument that doesn't allow for context."
Yeah, Conor Gleeson has no hope now of getting off or Horgan to clear his name.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts:2059 - 14/08/2017 13:17:47   2033220

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Isn't it amazing how many people think you could get your hand entangled in a helmet 6 ft high behind you when the ball is in front of you! If that's a natural position for him then he's one of a kind!
If I was a Galway person I'd keep the head down and say nothing.
In fairness though I know plenty of Galway people who admit Gleesons was no worse than Tuohy's

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:2165 - 14/08/2017 14:03:58   2033257

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Isn't it amazing how many people think you could get your hand entangled in a helmet 6 ft high behind you when the ball is in front of you! If that's a natural position for him then he's one of a kind!
If I was a Galway person I'd keep the head down and say nothing.
In fairness though I know plenty of Galway people who admit Gleesons was no worse than Tuohy's"
No you don't. Its not the same- Austin clearly grabs the helmet. I hope Austin plays however and the rule is addressed. Alternatively a rule for AI Final suspensions should be looked at. All Suspensions outside of ones for dangerous play should be scrapped.

WunderBar (Galway) - Posts:35 - 14/08/2017 19:47:22   2033415

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Aside from the emotion of an All Ireland final pulling a helmet off the face is potentially catastrophic for a player. The injury that could be sustained demands the greatest and highest sanction. An accidental pull is just that an accident, but to intentionally intefer with or pull a helmet off a player is so irresponsible so dangerous it beggars belief. Let the CCCC decide but a vague inconclusive finding will have grave consequences for players everywhere. Maybe when someone is left being spoonfed you might look at this diffetently. If Austin Gleeson doesnt play in the All Ireland final he has no one to blame but himself. Yes the final will be less without him, by all means give refs discretion in the rules but you have to protect players.

arock (Dublin) - Posts:3531 - 14/08/2017 20:12:32   2033423

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Watched the Gleeson incident again and there was some malice as well in the way he brought Meade down which hasn't been discussed. Hard to see how he will get off

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:2165 - 14/08/2017 21:40:56   2033446

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I've seen lots of people on here and various social media platforms saying they hope the Gleeson incident is not mentioned in the referees report. This is totally wrong. The sole reason Adrian Touhy was not banned was because the incident WAS included in the referees report. Barry Kelly stated he saw the incident and did not deem in necessary to take any action. He clearly thought Touhy's actions were not intentional. Because Kelly stated this the higher powers (CCC? Not sure who I'm talking about here.) had no basis to ban Touhy even if they wanted to. So people should be hoping that James Owens does likewise for Gleeson. If he states he did not see the incident the the higher powers have every right and are even obliged to investigate further.

Also, Conor Gleeson has absolutely no chance of getting off, unfortunately. However harmless it was a clear striking offence.

Hurling1Guru1 (Galway) - Posts:244 - 15/08/2017 11:05:53   2033537

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Replying To WunderBar:  "No you don't. Its not the same- Austin clearly grabs the helmet. I hope Austin plays however and the rule is addressed. Alternatively a rule for AI Final suspensions should be looked at. All Suspensions outside of ones for dangerous play should be scrapped."
Yep he did clearly grab it. As did Tuohy. You'd want to be blind not to see he made 3 attempts to get a grip of it

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts:2165 - 15/08/2017 13:01:45   2033595

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Replying To juniorjudge:  "well i suppose this will open up a can of worms with my galway friends but its not meant to. Adrian Touhy was highlighted on the sunday game for the helmet related incident with bonnar yesterday. im really not sure if many people saw it at the time? there was no mention of it by the commentators...but i did see it and i rewound it again and again and i posted it on other social media.

to me this was a clear incident of touhy intentionally ripping off bonnars helmet, you can clearly see his hand reach under bonnars helmet and rip it off. am i biased because im from waterford? no. am i interested because im from waterford? yes.

firstly let me say i do not believe the GAA realise the consequences of their actions by banning players for this particular offence - yes of course a ban should be in place if there is a dangerous breach of safety. but compare tadgh and adrians incidents...

tadgh - no clear footage of it, harry keohoe highlighted it to the linesman who in turn highlighted it to the ref and straight red card. i disagree with dan shanahan when hes praising harry keohoe for attending CCC hearings to speak up for tadgh. id have praised harry keohoe if he hadnt acted the way he did when the incident happened resulting in the red card being issued. eitherway harry, tadgh and all "the experts" now say it looked like it wasnt deliberate and tadgh was trying to get away from harry...eitherway tadgh is still banned.

my own opinion yesterday was adrian was reaching back and purposely pulling off bonnars helmet but to prevent him from winning the ball back only. bonnar did a big song and dance about it and no action was taken. im told but not sure, same linesman who had tadgh sent off was linesman yesterday.

im not stirring the pot here. im not winding up my galway friends, ive always said if my own county didnt win an all ireland id love to see galway do it.......but, if we are meant to live in a society of fairness and equality,and play by "the rules", adrian must be banned for the organisation to be consistent. the GAA cannot not ban him given whats gone on this week with tadgh and will send out completely wrong message if it doesnt.

i appreciate how hard these boys have trained all year and sacrificed. and no im not saying to myself this will be great for waterford, i no full well we have a huge task to even get to september next sunday and thats all im concentrating on, id much rather beat cork and galway with their strongest teams playing, you aim to beat the best dont you?....eitherway i think the GAA, when the championship is over, review this rule and include another subsection regarding common sense."
Considering that you started this thread and that you judged that Tuohy should not be allowed to play in the AI final what's your view and your judgement on A Gleeson?

baire (Galway) - Posts:437 - 16/08/2017 00:13:06   2033971

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