National - Dublin vs Monaghan

Watching a game on tv is not the full picture, I saw Kildare go head to head with Dublin, and while we definitely made inroads scoring 1:17, the plight of taking on such a swift and accurate counter attacking team literally meant you had to score with every attack. People on here might belittle the game but we were 9 points down after 15 mins and 4 points down at half time. No team has ever been as professional as the Dubs are, Tyrone might be- a point by Whelan tonight if Peter Harte and Donnelly were tied up what would happen, perhaps last year it would effect Tyrone. This year they have more to offer. Cian O Sullivan is one of many important players in the Dubs team but to me he's the most important defender they have, can Tyrone negate his influence in any way? If Kerry don't improve significantly they'll fall short of these two, all we have to go on is the league, a few of them were sluggish the last day and not up to Dublin championship standard!

jonno (Kildare) - Posts:136 - 07/08/2017 02:20:06   2030055

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Replying To JayP:  "Haters are gonna hate!"
The haters are gonna hate!

These are the type of posts on the youtube section of a Lance Armstrong video still being posted. American rubbish comment. So why don't you just shake it off baby!

Look myself and most posters have no ill feeling towards the current Dublin team. They're a great team playing a great brand of football and deserve all the success and accolades they have earned and achieved. They play the game in the best possible spirit the majority of the time. However, Jonny Cooper and McCaffrey made a meal out of innocuous incidents with slight contact to the head yesterday. For pointing this out we are far from 'haters'. What sane person would waste their energy begrudging, or far worse, hating, a fine bunch of young men, role models, who have brought gaelic football to new heights? What a way to live your life, wasting your energy and full of negativity.

Well done to Dublin yesterday, going to be some match between Tyrone and Dublin. If Dublin lose it won't lessen the esteem the team is held in by most genuine sports and gaelic sports fans. And as i've said many times before on here it's not for posters and counties to whinge about real or perceived Dublin advantages but work with their youth, aim for excellence and basically get on with it. No crap about revolving Dublin around the provinces, or population etc. At the end of the day a county just has to assemble a group of 26 young men, properly trained from an early age, committed and well managed. The vast majority of counties should be able to achieve this with proper structures in place.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts:779 - 07/08/2017 04:13:06   2030065

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Replying To kildare73:  "South Africa, Argentina and Celtic don't constantly go on about the state of their games in their respective codes and countries, unlike people on here who don't have to deal with the best until much later on. My original post was about the strength inside each individual province but you skated happily past that because you can't stand up your argument for Ulster. Unless you want to argue Dublin aren't the best team in the country and haven't been for the last few years, I think we can venture a guess those 5 Anglo Celt cups you talked about would have all gone to Dublin given their dominance around the country. The have just come off the back of a 35 game unbeaten run and it wasn't all achieved against leinster teams, everyone had their go and failed. And it wasn't a an Ulster team that stopped it either. My point is when Monaghan, like ourselves, went up against Dublin you too failed easily. If anything our display was at least more creditable."
Agree totally.

Some people don't seem to realise that county grading is no longer by province. You have Kerry, Tyrone, Dublin and possibly Mayo, we'll see later today a little more about them.

Then seasoned division 1 teams like Monaghan are getting trimmings. They're are a group of 10 teams below that who could all beat one another on a given day, Cavan, Donegal, Kildare, Armagh, Monaghan, Cork, Tipperary, Down, Clare, Derry are just a sample of 10, the group is possibly bigger. Meath ran Donegal to a point etc. Then a lower group of 10 or so and then the lowest few counties.

And the funny thing is gaelic football has often been like this. In the mid to late 70s Dublin and Kerry. Dublin and Kerry were joined by Offaly in the early 1980s and so on. 2002-2008 Armagh, Kerry, Tyrone.

Laois76 (Laois) - Posts:779 - 07/08/2017 04:24:59   2030066

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Replying To kildare73:  "South Africa, Argentina and Celtic don't constantly go on about the state of their games in their respective codes and countries, unlike people on here who don't have to deal with the best until much later on. My original post was about the strength inside each individual province but you skated happily past that because you can't stand up your argument for Ulster. Unless you want to argue Dublin aren't the best team in the country and haven't been for the last few years, I think we can venture a guess those 5 Anglo Celt cups you talked about would have all gone to Dublin given their dominance around the country. The have just come off the back of a 35 game unbeaten run and it wasn't all achieved against leinster teams, everyone had their go and failed. And it wasn't a an Ulster team that stopped it either. My point is when Monaghan, like ourselves, went up against Dublin you too failed easily. If anything our display was at least more creditable."
For a start nobody in Ulster goes on about the state of our football championship. It is and has mostly been the most competitive. Also, Celtic joining the English league structure has been debated loads of times by the soccer folk.

The best four teams made the SF. No questions on that. It's the best of the rest thats in question and consistently it's not in Leinster. The point you ignored was the record beating that the second best in leinster got the last time they made the QFs (in 2015). Then you go back to 2012 which was at the tail end of when your football championship was competitive. If the Ulster championship returns Tyrone 5 or more times as champions in a row then I will concede to you. We both know it will never happen. Ulster teams can and do beat each other. Dublin have not lost a Leinster championship game since 2010 and before that it was 2004! Sure…that's competitive.

You honestly think Dublin would have won every Anglo celt in the last five years? You think they would have won it in 2012 and 2014? Donegal in those years were better than Dublin…Lets not forget the last time Dublin lost a championship game.

The post from Laois76 proved my point. Its Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo and then the rest…in the next 6-8 are dominated by Ulster teams not Leinster. It's the biggest province and realistically it should consistently return at least 2 teams to the QF shake up. It should always have 2-3 team in Div 1…It does neither.

Monaghan were very disappointing against Dublin and I agree Kildare gave it a better rattle against Dublin. Both lost. We played far more games to get there but we got there. Kildare couldn't beat a Div 3 team to put themselves in the QF. A year in Div 1 and some more time will perhaps give us what we all want….at least one more strong team in Leinster. Kildare are on the the up but its long enough road.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts:280 - 08/08/2017 11:27:38   2030880

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Replying To seanfinn:  "For a start nobody in Ulster goes on about the state of our football championship. It is and has mostly been the most competitive. Also, Celtic joining the English league structure has been debated loads of times by the soccer folk.

The best four teams made the SF. No questions on that. It's the best of the rest thats in question and consistently it's not in Leinster. The point you ignored was the record beating that the second best in leinster got the last time they made the QFs (in 2015). Then you go back to 2012 which was at the tail end of when your football championship was competitive. If the Ulster championship returns Tyrone 5 or more times as champions in a row then I will concede to you. We both know it will never happen. Ulster teams can and do beat each other. Dublin have not lost a Leinster championship game since 2010 and before that it was 2004! Sure…that's competitive.

You honestly think Dublin would have won every Anglo celt in the last five years? You think they would have won it in 2012 and 2014? Donegal in those years were better than Dublin…Lets not forget the last time Dublin lost a championship game.

The post from Laois76 proved my point. Its Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone and Mayo and then the rest…in the next 6-8 are dominated by Ulster teams not Leinster. It's the biggest province and realistically it should consistently return at least 2 teams to the QF shake up. It should always have 2-3 team in Div 1…It does neither.

Monaghan were very disappointing against Dublin and I agree Kildare gave it a better rattle against Dublin. Both lost. We played far more games to get there but we got there. Kildare couldn't beat a Div 3 team to put themselves in the QF. A year in Div 1 and some more time will perhaps give us what we all want….at least one more strong team in Leinster. Kildare are on the the up but its long enough road."
Is this thread about Monaghan v Dublin game or how good Monaghan are compare to rest of Leinster teams??.
I can not remember last time Monaghan beat Dublin in any competitive match and I think they like rest of Leinster teams are already beaten before ball is threw in.
If Monaghan drop led back to division 2for a few years and then not played Dublin for 3_4 years in that time team might not have hang up and inferiority complex like all other Leinster teams have

madbull (Westmeath) - Posts:168 - 08/08/2017 15:50:22   2031116

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Replying To kildare73:  "South Africa, Argentina and Celtic don't constantly go on about the state of their games in their respective codes and countries, unlike people on here who don't have to deal with the best until much later on. My original post was about the strength inside each individual province but you skated happily past that because you can't stand up your argument for Ulster. Unless you want to argue Dublin aren't the best team in the country and haven't been for the last few years, I think we can venture a guess those 5 Anglo Celt cups you talked about would have all gone to Dublin given their dominance around the country. The have just come off the back of a 35 game unbeaten run and it wasn't all achieved against leinster teams, everyone had their go and failed. And it wasn't a an Ulster team that stopped it either. My point is when Monaghan, like ourselves, went up against Dublin you too failed easily. If anything our display was at least more creditable."
Kildare may have done ok for while against Dublin, but they then lost to the worst Armagh team in 30 years- a Div3 outfit who are miles off the pace in Ulster and who got beat by 18 points last Saturday. That doesn't say much for Leinster's second best team now does it?

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts:224 - 08/08/2017 16:20:39   2031144

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Kildare may have done ok for while against Dublin, but they then lost to the worst Armagh team in 30 years- a Div3 outfit who are miles off the pace in Ulster and who got beat by 18 points last Saturday. That doesn't say much for Leinster's second best team now does it?"
Do you all forget Kildare were a division 3 outfit themselves a year ago?? My point was every province was a landslide this year for the winners. Not one good provincial final, not just in leinster. Kildare are in the also ran category as are Monaghan and the rest. If you want to argue about the minor placings of where you are in your province or countrywide you can of course but don't criticize us for not beating the best team in the country then constantly fail yourselves when you get your chance. And as for Monaghan having played alot of games before they met Dublin, there was a simple reason for that.......you lost early in what turned out to be an uncompetitive province. So playing lots of games was down to yourselves, if you were good enough you wouldn't have had to.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts:293 - 08/08/2017 17:52:14   2031206

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Replying To kildare73:  "Do you all forget Kildare were a division 3 outfit themselves a year ago?? My point was every province was a landslide this year for the winners. Not one good provincial final, not just in leinster. Kildare are in the also ran category as are Monaghan and the rest. If you want to argue about the minor placings of where you are in your province or countrywide you can of course but don't criticize us for not beating the best team in the country then constantly fail yourselves when you get your chance. And as for Monaghan having played alot of games before they met Dublin, there was a simple reason for that.......you lost early in what turned out to be an uncompetitive province. So playing lots of games was down to yourselves, if you were good enough you wouldn't have had to."
I love it.

Completely ignoring the fact that its Dublin head and shoulder above everyone in Leinster every year since 2005 bar one blip in 2010.

Every other province has had two teams vying to win during that time....In Ulster during that same time 4 different teams have won it, even in connacht 4 different teams have won it. Status quo in munster but at least there is a challenge (most of the time).....However our biggest, most populated province with more football clubs that any other province with big counties such as Kildare and Meath cannot muster a challenge in their province and then proceed to get knocked out by failing to make a QF or get hammered at that stage.

The basis of your argument is this year - completely oblivious to the last decade or so. If Tyrone go on and win the Anglo Celt 5-6 times in a row i will eat the keyboard I am using right now.

See you in Div 1 next year.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts:280 - 09/08/2017 10:33:07   2031471

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Replying To seanfinn:  "I love it.

Completely ignoring the fact that its Dublin head and shoulder above everyone in Leinster every year since 2005 bar one blip in 2010.

Every other province has had two teams vying to win during that time....In Ulster during that same time 4 different teams have won it, even in connacht 4 different teams have won it. Status quo in munster but at least there is a challenge (most of the time).....However our biggest, most populated province with more football clubs that any other province with big counties such as Kildare and Meath cannot muster a challenge in their province and then proceed to get knocked out by failing to make a QF or get hammered at that stage.

The basis of your argument is this year - completely oblivious to the last decade or so. If Tyrone go on and win the Anglo Celt 5-6 times in a row i will eat the keyboard I am using right now.

See you in Div 1 next year."
There's one more very simple thing you are ignoring too in your bigging up of all things Ulster. Ulster is pretty much a football only province. Start north and head south and as you go on hurling becomes more and more prominent. Connacht is the same except for our honourable friends in Galway, so much so that they had to switch provinces to Leinster to get any sort of game. There are lots of small counties in Leinster trying nurture hurling which divides their playing pool and finances. Then move into Munster and every county is giving hurling a proper go along with Kilkenny who basically ignore football to perfect the art of hurling. Go through the hurling league and you won't find too many Ulster teams very high up. So basically everything goes into football in Ulster and Connacht so why wouldn't they be showing well?? And I'll save you the trouble of slamming the Kildare hurlers but at least a good effort is been made in the county with a well respected Limerick man at the helm. So maybe if Ulster tried to keep alive both hurling and football in the province instead of relying on one or two clubs up there to fight hurling's corner, maybe you might not be talking so big. See you in div 1 indeed.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts:293 - 09/08/2017 11:20:49   2031491

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Replying To kildare73:  "There's one more very simple thing you are ignoring too in your bigging up of all things Ulster. Ulster is pretty much a football only province. Start north and head south and as you go on hurling becomes more and more prominent. Connacht is the same except for our honourable friends in Galway, so much so that they had to switch provinces to Leinster to get any sort of game. There are lots of small counties in Leinster trying nurture hurling which divides their playing pool and finances. Then move into Munster and every county is giving hurling a proper go along with Kilkenny who basically ignore football to perfect the art of hurling. Go through the hurling league and you won't find too many Ulster teams very high up. So basically everything goes into football in Ulster and Connacht so why wouldn't they be showing well?? And I'll save you the trouble of slamming the Kildare hurlers but at least a good effort is been made in the county with a well respected Limerick man at the helm. So maybe if Ulster tried to keep alive both hurling and football in the province instead of relying on one or two clubs up there to fight hurling's corner, maybe you might not be talking so big. See you in div 1 indeed."
This is a football thread, not ignoring Hurling at all its just not relevant to what we are discussing in any sense.

However, Kildare don't participate in the Leinster Hurling Championship?...In fact about 7-8 of the 12 teams participate. I am sure you can correct me on that if needs be. So football is the dominant gaelic game in Kildare i take it? Just like Monaghan, Armagh, Down, Cavan, etc..etc..

Fair play to the counties that keep both going. We do have hurlers in Monaghan, Armagh, Down, Cavan etc..etc..

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts:280 - 09/08/2017 14:35:30   2031603

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Replying To seanfinn:  "This is a football thread, not ignoring Hurling at all its just not relevant to what we are discussing in any sense.

However, Kildare don't participate in the Leinster Hurling Championship?...In fact about 7-8 of the 12 teams participate. I am sure you can correct me on that if needs be. So football is the dominant gaelic game in Kildare i take it? Just like Monaghan, Armagh, Down, Cavan, etc..etc..

Fair play to the counties that keep both going. We do have hurlers in Monaghan, Armagh, Down, Cavan etc..etc.."
You asked me for a reason why leinster as a province doesn't have as strong a showing in football quarter finals as Ulster does. I gave you a reason in that hurling is more prominent in leinster than it is Ulster or Connacht. So that divides the playing pool in a lot of counties. I acknowledge there are hurlers in Ulster but you can't really say hurling is given anything like the attention football gets. Munster as a province to be fair to them probably succeeds better than the rest at having success in both codes. If a province as a whole puts everything into one code they are bound to be good at it but it's at the detriment of the other code. And no Kildare don't play in the Leinster Hurling Championship but as I said before, a good effort has been made over the last few years to bring up the standard and there's a good man running the show at the moment.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts:293 - 09/08/2017 16:01:57   2031657

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Replying To kildare73:  "You asked me for a reason why leinster as a province doesn't have as strong a showing in football quarter finals as Ulster does. I gave you a reason in that hurling is more prominent in leinster than it is Ulster or Connacht. So that divides the playing pool in a lot of counties. I acknowledge there are hurlers in Ulster but you can't really say hurling is given anything like the attention football gets. Munster as a province to be fair to them probably succeeds better than the rest at having success in both codes. If a province as a whole puts everything into one code they are bound to be good at it but it's at the detriment of the other code. And no Kildare don't play in the Leinster Hurling Championship but as I said before, a good effort has been made over the last few years to bring up the standard and there's a good man running the show at the moment."
So....It makes no difference to the discussion point!

Kildare is a football county, Louth is a football county and Meath is really a football county too.

Three counties where gaelic games are football dominant with large populations and plenty of clubs.

So what is the reason why 2-3 teams from Leinster dint make the last 8 of football every year and have 2-3 teams playing top tier league football every year? It seems to me that the counties are struggling to compete with the best of the rest.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts:280 - 09/08/2017 16:37:02   2031678

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Replying To seanfinn:  "So....It makes no difference to the discussion point!

Kildare is a football county, Louth is a football county and Meath is really a football county too.

Three counties where gaelic games are football dominant with large populations and plenty of clubs.

So what is the reason why 2-3 teams from Leinster dint make the last 8 of football every year and have 2-3 teams playing top tier league football every year? It seems to me that the counties are struggling to compete with the best of the rest."
Well it does make a difference to the discussion point as we were talking provincially but I'm not going back over it all again. The other counties can answer for themselves, I will say as far as Kildare go we have had peaks and troughs like most counties including your own. Micko brought us success when he here, then a dry spell until Geezer arrived and we were half decent then too. Made an All Ireland semi in 2010 when in all fairness a goal that never should have stood stopped us reaching a final. We made quite a few quarter finals apart from that in the McGeeney era. A poor manager after him did a lot of harm until Cian O'Neill arrived and he has us back in div 1 and we'll see how it goes from here. Success is cyclical as everyone knows. Monaghan had had a good spell lately but like ourselves quarter finals is as much as you can muster and I think most people would say Monaghan may have already peaked with this current crop. Fair play for winning two Ulsters but you didn't have to beat the best to do it, you just had to beat the best in Ulster. Apologies if people think this is off topic, I've made the points I wanted to make so I'll leave it at that.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts:293 - 09/08/2017 17:05:00   2031702

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Replying To kildare73:  "Well it does make a difference to the discussion point as we were talking provincially but I'm not going back over it all again. The other counties can answer for themselves, I will say as far as Kildare go we have had peaks and troughs like most counties including your own. Micko brought us success when he here, then a dry spell until Geezer arrived and we were half decent then too. Made an All Ireland semi in 2010 when in all fairness a goal that never should have stood stopped us reaching a final. We made quite a few quarter finals apart from that in the McGeeney era. A poor manager after him did a lot of harm until Cian O'Neill arrived and he has us back in div 1 and we'll see how it goes from here. Success is cyclical as everyone knows. Monaghan had had a good spell lately but like ourselves quarter finals is as much as you can muster and I think most people would say Monaghan may have already peaked with this current crop. Fair play for winning two Ulsters but you didn't have to beat the best to do it, you just had to beat the best in Ulster. Apologies if people think this is off topic, I've made the points I wanted to make so I'll leave it at that."
You are kidding me if you think Hurling makes a difference to the success/failure of football in most counties.

A county should not be able to run away with 12 out of the last 13 provincial titles. It ooints to football in decline in the other counties or certainly going through a long 'trough' of weakness.

I really hope Kildare and a few more step it up and bring a challenge to make the Leinster championship a challenge but its not one now and hasnt been for the last few years. Ulster presents a challenge to eventual winner almost every single year.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts:280 - 10/08/2017 10:49:05   2031887

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Replying To seanfinn:  "You are kidding me if you think Hurling makes a difference to the success/failure of football in most counties.

A county should not be able to run away with 12 out of the last 13 provincial titles. It ooints to football in decline in the other counties or certainly going through a long 'trough' of weakness.

I really hope Kildare and a few more step it up and bring a challenge to make the Leinster championship a challenge but its not one now and hasnt been for the last few years. Ulster presents a challenge to eventual winner almost every single year."
If you read my first post what I said is irrefutable. Leinster has indeed been too handy most years for Dublin, no argument there. Now what I actually said is this year every single other province has joined Leinster in being easy wins for the victors. No serious challenge on the way to the titles even though it's something leinster got criticized for. It's now spread countrywide. You took exception to that but it's still a fact. Doesn't matter how many quarter final places you fill. That's just the difference of being knocked out the last week of July or the first week in August. There was a dominant team in each province even though The Rossies blew up badly since. You give out about us not challenging Dublin, but your own county didn't even try to take them on when you had your chance. Went in trying to keep the score down which you didn't do either. I think it's around three years since Dublin conceded the scoreline we got against them. At least we gave it a go. Don't pontificate to us about giving Dublin no challenge then curl up on the ropes yourselves from the first whistle. Massively hypocritical.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts:293 - 10/08/2017 17:39:37   2032084

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Jesus give it a rest will yas,pointless discussion!

achara (Monaghan) - Posts:261 - 10/08/2017 18:49:40   2032113

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Replying To achara:  "Jesus give it a rest will yas,pointless discussion!"
Nobody forced you to read it!!

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts:293 - 11/08/2017 02:21:48   2032202

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Replying To kildare73:  "If you read my first post what I said is irrefutable. Leinster has indeed been too handy most years for Dublin, no argument there. Now what I actually said is this year every single other province has joined Leinster in being easy wins for the victors. No serious challenge on the way to the titles even though it's something leinster got criticized for. It's now spread countrywide. You took exception to that but it's still a fact. Doesn't matter how many quarter final places you fill. That's just the difference of being knocked out the last week of July or the first week in August. There was a dominant team in each province even though The Rossies blew up badly since. You give out about us not challenging Dublin, but your own county didn't even try to take them on when you had your chance. Went in trying to keep the score down which you didn't do either. I think it's around three years since Dublin conceded the scoreline we got against them. At least we gave it a go. Don't pontificate to us about giving Dublin no challenge then curl up on the ropes yourselves from the first whistle. Massively hypocritical."
"People come on here and berate leinster football and pontificate to us on how poor it is and how we can't get near Dublin and then we get a game like yesterday from what is supposed to be one of Ulster's top teams. They were simply blown away. Tyrone walked through Ulster, Kerry the same in Munster and even The Rossies had it handy in Connacht. There wasn't one decent provincial final this year. I said before on here if Dublin were in any of the other provinces they would have won the championship in that province most of the last few years and I think that stands up to scrutiny. But they are in Leinster and Leinster teams have to deal with them earlier than the rest, while the other teams around the country are battling it out to win their own provinces and at least pick up some silverware. It's easy to look down your nose at leinster football but look around your own province and ask how strong is it in reality."

As your memory isn't great, above is what you posted and what I disagree with. Dublin would win the other provinces over the last few years is nonsense and impossible to prove or disprove. If a few means three you could argue they may have won the last two….as they won the eventual All Ireland. They wouldn't have won Ulster in 2014 that was Donegal who beat Dublin in the SF that year…
Now you are saying this problem in Leinster has spread across the provinces. That is laughable. It's a mighty two in a row for Tyrone - they won by two points last year. You are looking at 2017 and forming an opinion without taking a wider view. Even look back 5-10 years. That's where you would find a trend. You can't form a trend with 1 or even two points of data. Only in Leinster there is a clear trend. The gap has got wider and wider. In ten anglo celts - 3 for Tyrone, 3 for Donegal, 2 for Monaghan and 1 for Armagh. For Connacht, Its 5 for Mayo, 2 for Galway, 2 for Roscommon and 1 for Sligo. Fair enough Mayo had 5 in a row but they haven't won the last two and they still are making the last 4 each year. So even though Mayo are clearly one of the big boys - the Connacht championship is competitive and does throw up surprises. Munster is same as ever Kerry 7 and Cork 3. Here there is an issue of Kerry pulling away from Cork and now Tipp and Clare. Cork will rise again though. They did show some signs v Mayo that they can build on…..In ten Delaneys - 9 for Dublin (7 in a row - they didn't even do that in the 70's), 1 for Meath. If Tyrone go on and win another 2-3 more and widen the gap year on year then you would be 100% correct. You are not correct now and I don't think you will be in the future.

seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts:280 - 11/08/2017 17:36:50   2032427

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Replying To seanfinn:  ""People come on here and berate leinster football and pontificate to us on how poor it is and how we can't get near Dublin and then we get a game like yesterday from what is supposed to be one of Ulster's top teams. They were simply blown away. Tyrone walked through Ulster, Kerry the same in Munster and even The Rossies had it handy in Connacht. There wasn't one decent provincial final this year. I said before on here if Dublin were in any of the other provinces they would have won the championship in that province most of the last few years and I think that stands up to scrutiny. But they are in Leinster and Leinster teams have to deal with them earlier than the rest, while the other teams around the country are battling it out to win their own provinces and at least pick up some silverware. It's easy to look down your nose at leinster football but look around your own province and ask how strong is it in reality."

As your memory isn't great, above is what you posted and what I disagree with. Dublin would win the other provinces over the last few years is nonsense and impossible to prove or disprove. If a few means three you could argue they may have won the last two….as they won the eventual All Ireland. They wouldn't have won Ulster in 2014 that was Donegal who beat Dublin in the SF that year…
Now you are saying this problem in Leinster has spread across the provinces. That is laughable. It's a mighty two in a row for Tyrone - they won by two points last year. You are looking at 2017 and forming an opinion without taking a wider view. Even look back 5-10 years. That's where you would find a trend. You can't form a trend with 1 or even two points of data. Only in Leinster there is a clear trend. The gap has got wider and wider. In ten anglo celts - 3 for Tyrone, 3 for Donegal, 2 for Monaghan and 1 for Armagh. For Connacht, Its 5 for Mayo, 2 for Galway, 2 for Roscommon and 1 for Sligo. Fair enough Mayo had 5 in a row but they haven't won the last two and they still are making the last 4 each year. So even though Mayo are clearly one of the big boys - the Connacht championship is competitive and does throw up surprises. Munster is same as ever Kerry 7 and Cork 3. Here there is an issue of Kerry pulling away from Cork and now Tipp and Clare. Cork will rise again though. They did show some signs v Mayo that they can build on…..In ten Delaneys - 9 for Dublin (7 in a row - they didn't even do that in the 70's), 1 for Meath. If Tyrone go on and win another 2-3 more and widen the gap year on year then you would be 100% correct. You are not correct now and I don't think you will be in the future."
But do you disagree that I have somebody lecturing me on my province being uncompetitive against Dublin............who is from the most recent team to be uncompetitive against Dublin? If it's so easy what happened your lot?? Telling everyone else to get their act together while failing miserably yourself is a bit much. And it still stands we had 4 equally uncompetitive finals this year. You can't disagree with that either. And my memory is fine. Do go worrying yourself unnecessarily.

kildare73 (Kildare) - Posts:293 - 12/08/2017 02:45:54   2032514

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